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01/01/2014 at 10:09

PREVIEW: The alternative Liverpool (a) preview

Wednesday 01 January 2014 

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Liverpool v HULL CITY

Liverpool FC came into being in 1892 and joined the second division of the Football League in 1893. They were immediately promoted and then relegated. And then promoted again. In 2013 they lost to Hull City. Let’s see if they can do it again.


Liverpool have always played at Anfield.

European Cup/Champions League (5): 1977, 1978, 1981, 1984, 2005
League Champions (18): 1900–01, 1905–06, 1921–22, 1922–23, 1946–47, 1963–64, 1965–66, 1972–73, 1975–76, 1976–77, 1978–79, 1979–80, 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86, 1987–88, 1989–90
FA Cup Winners (7): 1965, 1974, 1986, 1989, 1992, 2001, 2006
League Cup Winners (8): 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1995, 2001, 2003, 2012
EUFA Cup (3): 1973, 1976, 2001

Players in common
The intention here is to provide some detail about players and others who have been with both clubs, particularly the ones that have played for one club against the other (though information about opposition line-ups may not be available easily enough). Much of the information in this section will be drawn from Mike Peterson’s Tiger Tales book and the website My thanks to them. I’m aiming to avoid merely rehashing their work.

Andrew Raisbeck
Andrew Raisbeck (previously referred to erroneously as Andrew Rainseck) appears to have only played first team football for Hull City, despite spending three years at Liverpool and possibly some time with QPR. He played 47 league games and seven FA Cup games for us from 1904 to 1906, as well as 38 games of the pre-league 1904-05 season friendlies. He scored five league goals and one in the FA Cup.
It appears he emigrated to Canada afterwards.

Bertram Goode
Bert Goode was a prolific scorer in non-league football and Liverpool bought him from Chester in 1908. He only played seven times for them, netting just once. He joined Wrexham and his frequent scoring for them persuaded Aston Villa to take a chance. In a season (1911-12) there, he scored three goals in seven games, as well as 46 goals for their reserves. He then joined Hull City and scored ten goals in 30 league and cup games. He returned to Wales and had two further spells at Wrexham, including their first seasons in the league, plus another spell at Chester. He amassed 136 goals in 276 games for Wrexham, though some were at non-league level.

Daniel Ayala
Daniel Ayala joined Hull City on loan from Liverpool in 2010 when the newly relegated Tigers began to rebuild after their first Premier League excursion. Ayala formed an effective centre-back partnership with Anthony Gerrard, but hopes of signing both players permanently came to nothing. Ayala is now on loan at Middlesbrough from Norwich.

David Amoo
David Amoo was on loan at Hull City at the end of the 2010-11 season. He scored once in seven appearances. City only scored four goals in those seven games. Amoo didn’t make any first team appearances for Liverpool. He recently joined Carlisle and has scored 10 games for them in 29 league and cup appearances this season.
Former City loanee keeper Ben Amos, alphabetically adjacent to Amoo in City player lists until the end of time, is currently on loan at Carlisle, as is Tiger cub Conor Townsend. Former Tiger Mike Edwards is also at Carlisle, although his chances this season have been limited. He has played 567 league and cup games in his career and is now 33.

Dave Wright
Dave Wright spent the 1934-35 season with Hull City after four years at Liverpool. He scored 11 goals in 33 games for the Tigers, following 35 in 100 for Liverpool.

Emlyn Hughes
Emlyn Hughes arrived at Hull City towards the end of the 1982-83 season to steady the ship as the Tigers headed for promotion from Division 4. He played nine games, five of which were won and just one lost. Hughes had an illustrious career for Liverpool in the 1970s, winning four League Championships, the FA Cup, the European Cup twice, and the EUFA Cup twice. As captain for much of the decade, he was first to get his hands on the silverware. He also played for England 62 times and succeeded Bobby Moore as captain. He was briefly on the Hull City board.
After a further career in TV, particularly as a team captain on A Question of Sport, he died at the age of 57.

Ernie Blenkinsop
Perhaps Ernie Blenkinsop ought to be more well known among in City history. He arrived as a 19 year old left back and after just 11 appearances The Wednesday swooped and signed him. City, hard up as usual, had little choice but to sell. Blenkinsop spent 11 seasons with Wednesday, winning the league title twice and playing 26 times for England, including five games as captain. The Wednesday, having won the league for the third time in 1928-29, changed their name to Sheffield Wednesday and won the league the following season. Since changing their name, however, they have won fewer league titles – no additional ones since 1930 - than under their former name and are currently desperate for an injection of capital.
Blenkinsop left Wednesday for Liverpool and spent over three seasons there, making 71 appearances.

Gary Ablett
Gary Ablett played five games for Hull City on loan in the 1986-87 season. City were in their second season in Division 2 after the recent rise from Division 4. Ablett, then aged 20, looked a class apart, even in one of the better Hull City teams of the era. Ablett played more than a hundred times for Liverpool, winning two League titles and the FA Cup. He later won the FA Cup again with Everton.
Ablett died at the age of 46 from non-Hodgkin lymphoma.

Peter Gulacsi
Goalkeeper Peter Gulacsi joined Hull City on loan from Liverpool for the 2011-12 season. An early disaster against Leeds United resulted in him losing his place, but he returned to play most of the games in the November and December before an injury took him out of the side for good. None of his 15 appearances were drawn. He returned to Liverpool before the year was up, since Liverpool were short of keepers, and was an unused sub in their FA Cup semi-final win against Everton. That was as near as he got to playing for Liverpool.

Harry Lewis
Harry Lewis was a prolific goalscorer at youth level. In 1914 he made local headlines after scoring 101 goals out of Birkenhead Old Boys’ total of 228 in all games (including friendlies). He scored 57 goals in 101 wartime competition games for Liverpool before making his league debut in 1919. He scored nine goals in his first full season but then seemed to lose the knack along with his place. He left to join Hull City in 1923 after scoring 12 goals in 70 games for Liverpool. He scored five times in 38 outings for City but was released 15 months after joining.

James Walsh
Jimmy Walsh joined Liverpool from Stockport in 1922 and injuries allowed him into the team for most of the 1923-24 season and he finished top scorer with 19. Things got worse after that and he only played another 35 games in the next four seasons. His final tally was 27 in 77 games. Hull City acquired his services in 1928 and he played 89 times and scored 9 before leaving in 1931.

John Pears
John Pears (or Jack) was one of those players who didn’t seem to want to take his coat off. A season with Liverpool as an amateur appears to have resulted in no first team appearances. Hull City were his 11th club (or perhaps more). He stayed for the 1937-38 season and scored 11 league and cup goals as the Tigers managed third in Division 3 North. City’s main strike partnership was John MacNeill* and John Fryer, both with 23 league goals. Dai Davies got 9 and Cliff Hubbard 11. It was a pity that such a combination only stayed together for the one season. Pears helped himself to a hat-trick when City beat Southport 10-1 in the January. MacNeill, Davies, and Hubbard scored twice and Fryer got the other.
(* or McNeill, sources vary)

John Welsh
John Welsh had played a few games for Liverpool before joining Hull City in 2005 on a season-long loan. Welsh was considered to have huge potential and when it emerged that Liverpool wanted City youth player Paul Anderson, arrangements were made for an exchange. Alas, injuries got in the way and it turned out that Welsh wasn’t destined for greatness after all. Neither, as it turned out, was Paul Anderson, but that’s another paragraph.

Jon Otsemobor
Jon Otsemobor had played once for Liverpool before coming to Hull City on loan in late 2003. Despite being a full back, he endeared himself to the home fans by scoring three goals. He returned to Liverpool, but only played a few games before further loan spells and departure. At the end of 2003 he managed to get shot in the backside while in a bar.

Ken de Mange
Ken de Mange started with Liverpool, but got no first team pitch time. After a loan spell at Scunthorpe and a season at Leeds, he joined Hull City in 1988, where he was to make 91 assorted appearances in four seasons. He played for the Republic of Ireland twice, the second time after joining the Tigers
De Mange played in the 1989 FA Cup game against Liverpool in which Liverpool won 3-2 after trailing 2-1 at halftime.

Lee Peltier
Lee Peltier played three League Cup games and one Champions League game for Liverpool. A seven game loan spell at Hull City didn’t cause a search for the old cheque book and he went on loan to Yeovil, who he later joined. After spells at Huddersfield and Leicester, he seems to have found his level at Leeds United.

Les Robson
Les Robson joined City as a 16 year-old in 1948. Unfortunately a chap by the name of Carter was occupying his favoured position in the first team and he only managed three appearances and one goal in five years. Two seasons at Darlington produced 19 goals and interest from Liverpool, who signed him up but didn’t let him play. He left for Crewe after six months, but after seven months there joined Goole Town.

Nick Barmby
Nick Barmby was a Hull lad who done good. Twelve seasons in the Premier League with Spurs, Middlesbrough, Everton, Liverpool, and Leeds, were followed by a home coming where he helped Hull City from the third tier into, at last, the Premier League, having a hand in the goal that won the play-off final in 2008. He won the FA Cup, League Cup, and UEFA Cup, all with Liverpool in 2001, and played 23 games for England, including that immensely satisfying 5-1 win against Germany.
Barmby played in the 2008 Premier League game at Liverpool in which City went two up but ended up drawing 2-2.
In 2011 and 2012 he was coerced into and out of managing Hull City.

Ronald Mitchell
Ron Mitchell joined Liverpool from Skelmersdale but made no first team appearances in two years. He joined Hull City in 1924 and played 27 times, scoring once. After a couple of seasons with the Tigers he drifted down the league and into non-league.

Tommy Gardner
Tommy Gardner spent almost two seasons with Hull City whom he joined in 1932 from Grimsby. Prior to the Mariners, he had been with Liverpool for three years, but only played five games there. He played 73 times for the Tigers, scoring twice, and City won the Division 3 North title and promotion in his first season. He was handy with the long throw-in and won a national competition with a throw in excess of 32 yards. Gardner was signed from City by first division Aston Villa in February 1934 for £4,500 and in his four years with them played twice for England, his international debut coming just three months after his final appearance for the Tigers.
His great-granddaughter, Hannah Keryakoplis, has played 12 times for Wales. She was, however, born 31 years after his demise.

Paul Anderson
In contrast to all the players who have joined Hull City after time at a club for which they never played any first-team football, here is a player that sort of did it the other way round. When Liverpool decided that Anderson was going to be The Next Big Thing, they allowed the previous Next Big Thing, John Welsh, to convert his loan spell at Hull City into a permanent signing. Anderson was allowed out on loan to gain some first team experience and what with one thing or another managed to add not playing for Liverpool to his record of not playing for Hull City. Not the Next Big thing after all. But he did okay for himself.

Overall Records
League: P 11 W 1 D 3 L 7 F 14 A 27
FA Cup: P 1 W 0 D 0 L 1 F 2 A 3
League Cup: P 5 W 0 D 1 L 4 F 4 A 15
Total: P 17 W 1 D 4 L 12 F 20 A 45

League: P 5 W 0 D 1 L 4 F 7 A 18
FA Cup: P 0 W 0 D 0 L 0 F 0 A 0
League Cup: P 3 W 0 D 0 L 3 F 3 A 10
Total: P 8 W 0 D 1 L 7 F 10 A 28

Scorers (20 goals)
3. Own-Goals.
2. Dave Coates, Geovanni, Viggo Jensen.
1. Colin Alcide, Bill Bradbury, David Brown, Johnny Downie, Keith Edwards, John Eyre, Jake Livermore, Paul McShane, David Meyler, Vic Metcalfe, Billy Whitehurst.

Scorers there (10 goals)
2. Dave Coates, Own-Goals.
1. Colin Alcide, Johnny Downie, John Eyre, Geovanni, Paul McShane, Vic Metcalfe.

We’ve only failed to score on two of our visits to Liverpool, and the last time this happened was in 1971.


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